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Growing the Greens: Ellie Chowns MP on Parliament, polling and Zack Polanski - Parliament Matters podcast, Episode 124

14 Jan 2026
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What is it like to be part of a small but growing parliamentary party? We talk with the leader of the Green Party group at Westminster, Ellie Chowns, about the challenges of operating with limited numbers, the practical realities of parliamentary life, and how institutional structures shape the influence of smaller parties. We discuss our political culture, the Greens’ approach to leadership, internal decision-making, and the party’s longer-term ambitions for electoral and parliamentary reform and a more representative system.

With only four MPs, the Green Party covers a wide range of policy areas with a small parliamentary footprint. We explore how this affects visibility, workload, and the ability to intervene in debates and committees, within a system largely structured around the governing party and the official opposition and how smaller parties have to work strategically, pooling resources and coordinating closely to make the most of limited opportunities.

Those structural constraints are set alongside the everyday realities of parliamentary work and the gap between Westminster’s formal traditions and the practical demands of representing constituents. Our discussion reflects on how much of an MP’s role is shaped by operational pressures: setting up offices, handling large volumes of casework, and mastering complex procedures while immediately taking on full responsibility for constituency representation.

We explore how the Commons operates in practice and what this means for reform. Chowns raises issues around speaking rights, voting processes, and the allocation of time and space, linking them to wider questions of efficiency, accessibility and accountability, and to longer-standing debates about whether existing procedures are suited to a more diverse and multi-party political landscape.

We also look at how the Green Party functions internally, both within its small parliamentary group and in its relationship with the wider party leadership. We consider how approaches to policy development, legislative coordination and party discipline shape representation, particularly in the absence of the tightly enforced whipping systems used by larger parties.

Finally, we talk about electoral reform and the case for a more proportional system. The experience of operating as a small party within a majoritarian parliament is connected to broader arguments about structural change, the future direction of UK politics, and how rising public support for the Greens could translate into greater influence.

Dr Ellie Chowns MP. ©

Dr Ellie Chowns MP

Dr Ellie Chowns MP

Dr Ellie Chowns is the Green Party MP for North Herefordshire, having been elected to the House of Commons at the 2024 general election when the Green Party of England and Wales won four seats. She is the party’s Westminster leader, leading the Green Party group within Parliament, while the party’s national leader is Zack Polanski, who defeated Dr Chowns and her co-leadership candidate Adrian Ramsay MP in the party’s leadership election held in August 2025. Before becoming an MP she represented the Green Party as a Member of the European Parliament for the West Midlands region from 2019 to 2020 and as a local councillor on Herefordshire Council from 2017 to 2024. She has worked for development charities and in higher education, receiving a PhD from the University of Birmingham in 2014 for her thesis on the sustainability of water supply in rural Malawi, and is now a member of the Environmental Audit Committee of the House of Commons.

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Intro: [00:00:00] You are listening to Parliament Matters, a Hansard Society production supported by the Joseph Rowntree Charitable Trust. Learn more at hansardsociety.org.uk/pm

Ruth Fox: Welcome to Parliament Matters, the podcast about the institution at the heart of our democracy, Parliament itself. I'm Ruth Fox.

Mark D'Arcy: And I'm Mark D'Arcy. And in this special episode, we are talking to the Westminster leader of the Green Party, its contingent of four MPs in the House of Commons, Ellie Chowns. And Ellie, first of all, thanks very much indeed for talking to us. You are both the Westminster leader of the Greens, the foreign affairs spokesperson, the social care spokesperson, the housing, communities, and local government spokesperson, the business and trade spokesperson, the defence spokesperson, and the education spokesperson. Do you get much sleep?

Ellie Chowns: Indeed, we are all like that, with only four MPs and 25 or so portfolios, we are all doing half a dozen. [00:01:00] We obviously have to pick and choose, but I always think, compared to Caroline Lucas, who was a single Green MP covering absolutely everything, we've got it easy, right? But I'm looking forward to the day when we've got more than one Green MP per portfolio, hopefully soon.

Mark D'Arcy: And Caroline Lucas was a bit of a phenomenon in Westminster in her many years, since 2010, right up to 2024. And she, as you say, had to cover all the bases. And I know she would've loved to have had another MP beside her in the Chamber of the House of Commons. Were you surprised to find that you had an all singing, all dancing contingent of four MPs when you got here after the last election? Full transcript →

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