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Choosing a new Lord Speaker: Peers question candidates Lord Forsyth and Baroness Bull - Parliament Matters podcast, Episode 120

19 Dec 2025
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In this exclusive episode we bring you the full recording of the official hustings for the next Lord Speaker, held in the House of Lords and chaired by Hansard Society director and podcast co-host Ruth Fox. Peers question candidates Lord Forsyth and Baroness Bull on impartiality, self-regulation, public trust, governance and security, and the looming decisions on restoration and renewal – offering a rare insight into how the House chooses its presiding officer and the challenges facing Parliament at a critical moment.

This episode brings you an exclusive recording of the official hustings for the election of the next Lord Speaker. Organised by the Hansard Society and chaired by podcast co-host Ruth Fox, the event took place last week (Tuesday 9 December) in the Robing Room of the House of Lords.

Peers put questions to the two contenders for the role: Conservative Peer Lord Forsyth and Crossbench Peer Baroness Bull. This episode gives listeners rare access to the full exchange between Peers and the candidates.

The discussion ranged from the practical business of running the House of Lords chamber to some of the biggest constitutional and governance challenges facing Parliament.

The Lord Speaker chairs proceedings in the Lords from the Woolsack and acts as an ambassador for the House. The role also includes chairing the House of Lords Commission. Created in 2006, the post replaced the Lord Chancellor as presiding officer and is filled by a five-year election among Peers. Once elected, the Lord Speaker steps away from party affiliation and does not vote.

From the outset, Peers quickly tested a central tension in the contest: was Lord Forsyth too political, and was Baroness Bull political enough? Questions followed on how the Lord Speaker should defend the House if a future government had little or no representation in the Lords, prompting discussion of constitutional conventions, respect for the Commons’ electoral mandate and the Lords’ role as a revising, “think again” chamber.

Key themes included governance, security and the looming decisions on restoration and renewal, with both candidates stressing the need for clearer accountability, better communication with members and efforts to rebuild public trust in Parliament. Other questions covered public engagement and media coverage, sitting hours and late nights, amendment grouping and Question Time, and the practical support available to members, especially those based outside London.

Baroness Bull

Baroness Bull

Baroness Bull

Deborah Bull joined the House of Lords as a Crossbencher in 2018 and has been a Deputy Chairman of Committees / Deputy Speaker in the House of Lords since 2022, having previously been a dancer in the Royal Ballet, Creative Director at the Royal Opera House, a Governor of the BBC, and Vice-President and Vice-Principal of King’s College London.

Official election address

Lord Forsyth of Drumlean. ©

Lord Forsyth of Drumlean

Lord Forsyth of Drumlean

Sir Michael Forsyth entered the House of Lords as a Conservative peer in 1999, having previously been the MP for Stirling from 1983 to 1997 and a Government Minister from 1987, culminating in being Secretary of State for Scotland from 1995 to 1997. He became Chairman of the Association of Conservative Peers in 2021 and was Chair of the House of Lords Economic Affairs Committee from 2017 to 2022.

Official election address

House of Lords

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Intro: [00:00:00] You are listening to Parliament Matters, a Hansard Society production supported by the Joseph Rowntree Charitable Trust. Learn more at hansardsociety.org.uk/pm.

Ruth Fox: Welcome to Parliament Matters, the podcast about the institution at the heart of our democracy, Parliament itself. I'm Ruth Fox.

Mark D’Arcy: And I'm Mark D'Arcy. And we are devoting this admittedly longer than usual special episode to the race for the Lord Speakership, the presiding officer of the House of Lords.

Unlike their Commons opposite number, the Lords Speaker doesn't get to shout "Order. Order", but they are still an important player in the world of Westminster.

Ruth Fox: And on behalf of the Hansard Society, I chaired the official hustings for the election between the Conservative Peer, Lord Forsyth, and the Crossbench Peer Baroness Bull, which took place last week in the House of Lords Robing Room, the place where the King, normally dons his robes before the State Opening. And here, exclusively for Parliament [00:01:00] Matters listeners, is what happened.

Welcome everyone to the Hustings for the election of the Lord Speaker, organised and hosted by the Hansard Society, at the invitation of the Procedure Committee of the House. We were invited to organise the hustings for the first time in 2011 for the election of the Lord Speaker, and subsequent elections. And it's an honor to do so again.

I see many familiar faces in the audience in so far as I can see in the semi-dark. But for those of you who may not know me, I'm Ruth Fox, I'm the Director of the Hansard Society.

In terms of how we're going to organise things today. the candidates are going to make an opening statement of no more than five minutes, and we will then proceed to your questions. Following a coin toss a few minutes ago. Lord Forsyth is going to speak [00:02:00] first. We've received dozens and dozens of questions. So I'm afraid some of you are going to be disappointed tonight. But there were some very clear themes, which we've grouped together to bring about what I hope will be a coherent discussion, and also to avoid duplication.

As well as those of you here in the Robing Room there are Peers watching the live feed in the over spill room and also online. Now, a consequence of having, in effect three audiences is that, you know, we have to manage the audio in terms of the recording so we ensure that everything is picked up for the purposes of the recording. So the plan is that I will put the primary question that we've selected from those that you have submitted, and then the candidates will be invited to respond. There will be opportunities for them to respond to each other. And time allowing towards the end, if there are is enough time, we [00:03:00] will also put some supplementary questions from you. We've got two roving microphones. We'll see how we go for time and how things are with the, with the recording. If you're invited to speak I'll give you instructions at that point about how we will deal with that in terms of the microphones. I've not set formal time limits for the responses from the candidates. We want this to be a dialogue and to be as informal as possible.

But I have got a card saying 30 seconds, so that if they are droning on, I will, I will use it. I have asked them to be mindful of the time so we can get through as many questions as possible and then at the end, each candidate will have a few minutes to, to sum up. So with that, can I invite Lord Forsyth to go to the lectern to make his opening remarks. Full transcript →

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