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Where are the Reform UK peers? - Parliament Matters podcast, Episode 119

13 Dec 2025
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This week we examine a closely fought Commons vote on a Liberal Democrat Ten Minute Rule Bill on the EU Customs Union, explaining why the apparent win has little practical impact. We also explore the latest House of Lords appointments, questioning the absence of Reform UK and the consequences of peerage changes for scrutiny. We also cover the forthcoming Lord Speaker election and the limitations of parliamentary scrutiny of international treaties, highlighted in an interview with Lord Goldsmith. The episode concludes with an update on the slow progress of the Assisted Dying Bill and the potential reputational risks for the Lords.

There have been three significant developments at Westminster this week: a Commons vote that the Liberal Democrats are presenting as a major breakthrough, a peerages list that raises questions of political balance, and renewed concerns about the limited powers Parliament holds to scrutinise international treaties.

We begin with the Ten Minute Rule Bill proposed by Liberal Democrat MP Dr Al Pinkerton, intended to create a duty on the Government to negotiate entry to the EU Customs Union. The motion succeeded only on a tied vote, resolved by Deputy Speaker Caroline Nokes using her casting vote. This was not a vote on the Bill’s text, nor does it compel Government action: it simply grants leave for the Bill to be introduced and placed in the Private Members’ Bill queue, where its prospects are uncertain.

We then turn to the latest appointments to the House of Lords. Labour gains the largest share, and the Liberal Democrats secure five new peers, while Reform UK receives none—an outcome that is increasingly difficult to justify given Reform’s parliamentary and local government presence and their sustained lead in the opinion polls. We also consider the implications of the anticipated hereditary peer departures on Lords committee work and scrutiny.

We also preview the upcoming Lord Speaker contest between Lord Forsyth and Baroness Bull. Ruth chaired the official hustings earlier this week, so she discusses the issues and questions that were raised.

We talk to Lord Goldsmith, Chair of the International Agreements Committee, about treaty scrutiny. Lord Goldsmith argues that the current 21-day scrutiny period under the Constitutional Reform and Governance Act is inadequate and overly dependent on Government control of parliamentary time. When in opposition Labour spokespersons agreed, but now they are in Government Ministers think the system is satisfactory.

Finally, the programme closes with an update on the Assisted Dying Bill’s slow progress in the Lords and the potential reputational consequences if proceedings continue to stall.

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The Rt Hon the Lord Goldsmith KC

Lord Goldsmith has chaired the House of Lords International Agreements Committee since 2023. From 2020 to 2021 he chaired the committee’s predecessor, the International Agreements Sub-Committee of the House of Lords European Union Committee. He was appointed to the Upper House as a Labour Peer in 1999 and served as Attorney General between 2001 and 2007. Peter Goldsmith was called to the Bar in 1972 and currently practices law at Debevoise & Plimpton LLP. Prior to entering Parliament he served as a deputy High Court judge and chairman of the Bar of England and Wales. He has chaired a Commission on crime and gambling-related harms for the Howard League for Penal Reform. In the House of Lords he has previously served as a member of the Constitution Committee (2010-15), the Procedure Committee (2010-11), and the European Union Committee (2020-21).

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Intro: [00:00:00] You are listening to Parliament Matters, a Hansard Society production supported by the Joseph Rowntree Charitable Trust. Learn more at hansardsociety.org.uk/pm.

Ruth Fox: Welcome to Parliament Matters, the podcast about the institution at the heart of our democracy, Parliament itself. I'm Ruth Fox.

Mark D'Arcy: And I'm Mark D'Arcy. Coming up in this week's episode.

Ruth Fox: Almost peerless. Despite having MPs and riding high in the polls, Reform UK doesn't get a share of the 34 new peers announced this week.

Mark D'Arcy: Oversold. The Lib Dem score a victory in a Commons vote on closer ties to the EU.

But is it quite the triumph they've been claiming?

Ruth Fox: And will Parliament get stronger powers to scrutinise international treaties? The senior Peerage in charge of scrutinising them isn't holding his breath.

Mark D'Arcy: And Ruth, let's [00:01:00] start on that supposed great Lib Dem triumph in the Commons. This was on a vote on a Ten Minute Rule Bill to create a duty on the government to negotiate entry if possible to the EU Customs Union. It was proposed by the Lib Dem MP, Dr. Al Pinkerton, and it was won. And there were a couple of strands to the story. Full transcript →

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